November 14, 2012

Kahr PM40 No. 4043 40 S&W

In this test Gun Tests looked at a semiautomatic pistol suitable for ankle carry or other deep concealment, the $786 Kahr PM40 No. 4043 40 S&W. Despite its small size, this gun is as pricey as many popular full-size models. But if it comes down to drawing a gun from deep concealment, at least you can take comfort in knowing you’re not about to depend on a cheap pistol.

For testing in the summer heat we arrived at Phil Oxley’s Impact Zone, located in Monaville, Texas, at daybreak ( The shade of a cypress tree and a steady breeze helped keep the team cool as they practiced firing standing offhand and from the bench before attempting shots of record. Then they fired five-shot groups from sandbag support to establish accuracy from the 10-yard line. They also engaged two different action tests to tell them more about the gun’s capability when fired standing without support.

First, they tried the familiar test of delivering two shots to the center of an IPSC metric target followed by a single shot to the head area of its humanoid silhouette. Center mass on the target consisted of an A-zone measuring 6.0 inches wide and 11.0 inches tall. The head area measured 6.25 inches by 6.75 inches overall, with another A-zone measuring 4.0 inches by 2.0 inches to designate a preferred area of impact. After an audible start signal, the elapsed time of each shot was displayed by an electronic timer. Ten separate strings of fire were recorded. Test distance was 7 yards.

The second action test also required three shots per draw but only to the center of the target. Instead of holding the gun in both hands, the shooter utilized only his strong hand (right hand only for a right-handed shooter or left hand only for the left-handed shooter). In each case the start position was holding the gun pulled back toward the chest with little more than the muzzle at the bottom of the shooter’s vision. Upon start signal, the gun was thrust toward the target.

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Not a blindingly fast pistol, but nevertheless precise and powerful. A best bet for ankle carry.

The list of test ammunition consisted of four different loads. For the bench session they fired Winchester USA’s 165-grain FMJ rounds and two choices from Black Hills. They were remanufactured loads (sold in blue boxes) topped with a 180-grain FMJ bullet and Black Hills new manufacture 180-grain jacketed hollowpoints packed in red boxes. For the action test, they relied upon Black Hills new manufacture 155-grain JHP rounds to help them paint a picture of how each gun might perform filled with defensive ammunition when rapid fire was called for. Here is what they learned.

The Kahr PM40 was the smallest gun tested. This would seem to make it the most natural choice for an ankle holster or other manner of deep concealed carry. Indeed, it is a very popular gun for backup, and from its introduction aftermarket houses such as Wilson Combat and more recently Cylinder and Slide ( offer enhanced custom Kahr pistols. This is not to say the stock pistol is lacking, but is a high compliment.

Overall there are more than 20 different Kahr pistols now available with different frame sizes, frame materials (stainless steel or polymer), barrel lengths (3.0 inches to 4.04 inches), finishes, and sights. The tested PM40 was a subcompact polymer-frame version of the basic Kahr design with a 3-inch barrel and ultra-low-profile sights. Three other versions of this same pistol are available with night sights and/or a blackened stainless steel slide. Prices range from $786 to $939. The website describes the operation of the PM40 as "Trigger cocking DAO, lock breech, Browning type recoil lug, passive striker block and no magazine disconnect." The term “trigger-cocking DAO" can be misleading because the trigger will not fire the gun without movement of the slide to set the action. The term passive striker block means that pressing the trigger releases the striker. This is more of a drop-proof system than an actual mechanical safety, not much different really than the Glock or Walther pistols. The key is that the gun will not go off without pressing the trigger.

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With the magazine removed and chamber cleared, removing the top end began with aligning marks in the frame and slide. The slide-stop pin could then be pushed out of the gun from right to left.

Without a decocker or a safety lever, the only point that interrupted its straight vertical sides was the slide-stop pin. GT said when they listed the maximum width of the PM40 (about 1.11 inches) on the spec sheet, they were actually listing the length of the pin from the contact pad on the left side of the gun to the end of the pin on the right. With the pin removed, the gun itself is less than one inch wide. The box size of the PM40 varied from about 5.7 inches by 4.1 inches to 5.7 inches by almost 5.0 inches, depending on which of the two supplied magazines were in place. The flush-fit model carried five rounds, and the extended-length magazine held six. GT did most of its shooting with the longer magazine in place because the flush-fit magazine left pinky fingers dangling beneath the pistol. In most cases they found that the gun remained small and concealable even with the long magazine in place. Each of these magazines featured a removable basepad for easy cleaning or to replace the springs and followers.

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The six-round magazine (right) was substantially longer than the five-round model. The six-round magazine improved grip, but the shorter magazine made the gun simpler to hide.

Field-stripping the PM model varied from its steel-framed brothers in that the slide was moved rearward to match marks in the slide and frame imprinted forward of the trigger guard rather than to the rear of the frame. Once aligned, the slide stop tab matched the cutout in the slide, allowing it to be pushed out from right to left. Pressing the trigger freed the top end from the frame. The Kahr also utilized a plunger and dual spring recoil system, but the forward spring was not captured. It was seated so tightly on to the guide rod that it remained attached to the unit. Reinstallation, however, did require compression of the spring against the inside face of the slide. After replacing the slide on to the frame, insertion of the slide stop pin began not with aligning the frame and slide marks but instead watching for the kidney shaped hole in the barrel lug to line up with the hole in the frame. After inserting the pin the slide was moved rearward to clear the relief for the locking tab.

From the bench Gun Tests found the standard Kahr sights to be more than adequate. The front sight showed a white dot and the rear sight offered a white vertical line below its notch. Overall, the Kahr PM40 was capable of delivering 2.0-inch groups with the selection of test ammunition. With so many different rounds of 40 S&W to choose from, the team felt sure they could improve on that. But they found that despite having the shortest barrel, the Kahr PM40 produced the most velocity and muzzle energy overall. In addition, they liked the way the small gun nestled deeply into their hands without any danger of the slide bite.

Gun Tests October 2009

All three guns utilized a multi-spring plunger-style recoil assembly. The front spring of the PM40 was not captured. But it did stay attached to the recoil-assembly unit thanks to a tight fit.

In the action tests they did not find it difficult to land hits to the central A-zone. They didn’t have any hits inside the smaller upper A-zone, but only two shots narrowly escaped the head area completely. Elapsed times averaged about 2.47 seconds. First shots were fired at about the 1.10-second mark. They thought it was the length of the trigger pull and the short sight radius that prompted them to be more deliberate. The strong-hand-only runs were over in about 2.98 seconds. First-shot strong-hand-only shots came at about the 1.17-second mark, but accuracy was good.

Gun Tests Said: This is one of the few really small pistols where they could lock their hands around the gun and take command of the trigger while keeping the gun stable. With the shorter five-round magazine in place they found the PM40 to be the best bet for ankle carry. Not a blindingly fast pistol, the PM40 was nevertheless precise and unexpectedly the most powerful of the tested guns overall.

Comments (47)

My local Academy Sports store sold $18,000 in ammo the day after the election. Check the prices on 5.56 stuff now, IF you can find it. And lots of stores are sold out of ARs now.

Someone is getting nervous I guess.

Posted by: Cecil B | November 16, 2012 11:53 PM    Report this comment

I crossed paths with a K40 model that was 1st or 2nd year gun. Out of the 20 months of ownership, Kahr had possession for 15 months. All started with not being able to eject unfired round because the ejection port wouldn't open far enough. Three trips to Kahr and a new slide that hung off the back by 3mm, the gun would pop off all the extractor parts every 3 rounds. Sold with with full disclosure for a song. Years later, my 3 yr old PM9 is my favorite CCW.

Posted by: Mark S | November 16, 2012 5:52 PM    Report this comment

I have 2 Kahrs, a K9 and MK40 which are both all steel guns. They have been flawless for the past 3 years that I have had them. In fact, the MK40 which is a very small 40SW caliber gun is extremely accurate for such a small gun. I have had shoot offs with my EMP40 and M&P40 Compact; the Kahr is always the winner for chaining shots together and being closest to aim point. This all being done off hand, no rest support at all. I cannot vouch for their poly-guns, but the steel line is awesome.

Posted by: ThinkN_Do | November 15, 2012 10:53 PM    Report this comment

Thanks for that info jack. I read similar comments. Some of the Russian stuff is lacquered and some of it is not. Some is zinc and some copper over steel. I bought a couple thousand rounds right after the 11/06/2012 panic but am having second thoughts about using it in my ARs which are high dollar guns. Might buy an AK chambered to .223 just to be on the safe side. After all, what is one more gun in the arsenal. But thanks for the input.

Posted by: Cecil B | November 15, 2012 8:31 PM    Report this comment

Cecil B- don't know if this will help but several years ago I bought an Olympic Arms AR-15 National Match rifle. The owner's manual specifically called for absolutely no steel case ammo. Apparently it's not the case that causes the problem but the lacquer coating. The match chambers are cut tight and the lacquer melts, gunking up the chamber and leading to chambering and extraction problems. Hope this helps.

Posted by: jack6666 | November 15, 2012 8:09 PM    Report this comment

All good info about these small simi automatics but im sorry i only trust a revolver to go bang everytime.I carry a s/w 357 snub with a inside the waistband holster. with enclosed hammer .. never a snag... never a stove pipe round or worrying about a magazine failure.. but thats just me... just saying..

Posted by: sgt yuma | November 15, 2012 6:57 PM    Report this comment

Before the East Europeans clog up this week's site, I have a gun question for you guys.

I have read pros and cons of using Russian ammo in an AR-15. Some say it will screw up the gun, while others say it is not a problem, other than being dirtier. So, what say you guys.

In the BTW department, I just bought 900 rounds of 556 from Sportsman's Guide and it was made in Australia and 500 rounds of .45 from Academy Sports and it was made in Czech Republic. I even see ammo made in Mexico and South Korea. WTF?

Posted by: Cecil B | November 15, 2012 4:49 PM    Report this comment

When these pistols first came out I bought two in .40 caliber. Both had persistent problems with jamming and failure to return to battery. I sent them back to Kahr twice, and they could not fix the problem, and I had another gunsmith look at them to no avail. Finally I sold both. I loved the size, the feel, the weight, and everything else about them, but one cannot live with an unreliable self-defense pistol. I would not buy another Kahr pistol.

Posted by: DLPogge | November 15, 2012 4:05 PM    Report this comment

My first Kahr was a K9. It's been stone reliable since day one, and everyone that's shot it loves it. But, it's a tad heavy for a small 9, so I bought the PM40. At first it was uber finicky with JHP except Hornady CD & CorBon DPX, plus it would not clear any type of ammo without firing it. After some tweaking by Kahr, it is 100% reliable with my favorite defensive ammo, but finicky with lots of 'average' JHP ammo. The recoil is substantial, but manageable provided the gun has grip tape. So, I bought a PM9 and a P40 thinking the PM9's recoil would be manageable without grip tape and the P40's would give me more grip to control. Neither met my expectations, plus the P40 dropped mags frequently during firing, so it's back to the PM40. As for those folks that swear off a gun manufacturer because it had some hiccups - I don't know of ANY manufacturer that has a perfect record. I've had issues with S&W, Sig, Kahr, & even my custom 1911's. Fix 'em, test 'em and get on with it.

Posted by: OlympicFox | November 15, 2012 3:41 PM    Report this comment

I had a PM40 and sold it. It was a nice little pistol, easy to conceal and carry. The problem was that it cracked and broke magazines every time I fired it. I contacted Kahr and they promptly replaced the magazines. They told me that they had received a shipment of defective magazines, but that the problem had been corrected. The next time I went to the range, the pistol performed flawlessly. However, I was still very concerned about the reliability of the pistol. Unfortunately, I don't have enough money to buy guns I can't rely on. I buy pistols for self protection. I sold the PM40. I have no use for an unreliable. I still have a PM9, but I rarely carry it. It has never failed, but I just don't trust Kahrs any more and I won't bet my life on a pistol I don't trust.

Posted by: jimonthe beach | November 15, 2012 2:31 PM    Report this comment

Maybe I read this too fast, but what other guns did they test with the Kahr?

Posted by: dzrtram | November 15, 2012 10:59 AM    Report this comment

I had the PM40 with stainless slide and night sights for about 10 months. Slide would lock back in the middle of a magazine (every 10 rounds on average), slide wouldn't lock back at the end of a magazine (occasionally), the rearward motion of the barrel would cause the feed ramp to contact the follower, so the followers would break at between 50-100 rounds, at one point the magazine itself came apart at the seam from being hammered by the feed ramp. Kahr CS people were very nice, I sent the gun in to the factory twice, both times it came back working worse than before in terms of slide lockback. They put a nick in the edge of the slide the first time, and also sent it back with a bent slide return spring (sloppy reassembly, I assume). The second time they replaced the frame, which necessitated another FFL fee to get it back. I resorted to do-it-yourself gunsmithing, got it running well except for the breaking of followers, which even the huge divot they cut into the feed ramp didn't fix, and sold it. An expensive gun, which I put a LOT of expensive ammo through trying to establish its reliability. At that point, even if they offered me a new gun it would be another $40 for the FFL fee, and start all over again. I judged I would just be throwing good money after bad, so time to cut my losses, and needless to say I'll never be owning a Kahr again. I realize not everyone has had problems with their Kahr, but once you've experienced something like this, you start to question their engineering. I have a Sig P290RS now, perfectly reliable with every type of premium hollowpoint.

Posted by: Michael D | November 15, 2012 10:25 AM    Report this comment

Dr.BigDaddy, Thank you for your kind comments and most of all THANK YOU! FOR YOUR SERVICE! A Physician in the Medical Corps, the Dustoffs with the Medics were just the start, then off to a fire support base or back stateside where Brave Doctors and Nurses saved many lives. Doctor you epitomize the very best of Mankind, not taking lives but saving them!

Posted by: PH/CIB | August 5, 2011 5:15 PM    Report this comment

Well, drbigdaddy, thanks for your expression of gratitude. It's sorta funny, that in recent years we Vietnam Vets have experienced an outpouring of gratitude from so many people. It's pretty late coming, but it is appreciated. Whenever I go anyplace, I usually wear some sort of thing.....a cap, a pin, a shirt.....that identifies me as a Vietnam Veteran. So many people, now, walk up extending their hand in thanks and friendship that it makes it worth the wait of 40 some years fairly palatable. Of course, living in Killeen, Texas.....the home of Fort Hood.....helps, since the whole community owes its' existence to the Army.

Posted by: canovack | August 5, 2011 2:52 PM    Report this comment

To canovack and PH/CIB: I salute both of you. You two Rock. It is a privilege reading your exchanges.
Thank you for your service, risking your lives and sharing just a few of your life's experiences.
Thank you for putting up with all the shit from an ungrateful nation when you returned from Southeast Asia.
I was a kid just watching some of the sanitized pictures on the evening news.
I feel like a total pussy.
I joined the Army in the early 1980's and served as a physician in the Medical Corp. All my time CONUS.
Keep the exchanges going.
Your humor is great.
We all need to better understand what really happened over there.

Posted by: drbigdaddy | August 5, 2011 1:20 PM    Report this comment

Most of my combat assaults were in flying in support of ground operations. I often flew with an aerial hunter-killer team of two OH6 LOH and two AH1-G Cobras ferreting out NVA & VC using the airborne personnel detector (APD). Most of my other missions were flown in UH1s as a forward observer, spotting targets and adjusting fires for cannon artillery. Often times I prepared targets for strikes by A1 and F4 aircraft by laying CS canister cluster bombs on the enemy positions so as to disorient the enemy making him more vulnerable to the strikes. And.....twice I got to prep Arc Light boxes with CS and then stood off a ways to observe the entire landscape erupt. One of our other fun tricks was to use CH47s as bombers, dumping two dozen 55 gallon drums of CS with bursters off the tailgate. God! What a war.....

Posted by: canovack | August 5, 2011 11:36 AM    Report this comment

Never saw an Arc Light, although I always wanted to from the relative safety of a high ridgeline or the cockpit of a B-52. Did see Puff or Spooky work out one night. Thank God for Marconi, the most devastating weapon on the battlefield is the radio, FIRE MISSION! God Bless the 11 Charlie Cannon Cockers, those artillery rounds rearranged the landscape and saved countless lives, and Thank God for those Jet Jockeys and the Cowboys who flew the helicopter gunships, those strafing runs and HE and napalm saved many lives, but most of all God Bless the Men who flew and crewed the Dustoffs or Medivacs, they saved countless lives, and coming into a Hot LZ with nothing but a plexiglass windshield between them and death, they were the Bravest Men I have ever known!

Posted by: PH/CIB | August 5, 2011 9:40 AM    Report this comment

I have to agree that the Central Highlands constituted some of the most beautiful landscapes extant. Of course up around Kontum, Ben Het, the Plei Trap Valley, and Chu Pa, we managed to make those beautiful landscapes look more akin to the surface of the moon following the Arc Light missions.

Posted by: canovack | August 4, 2011 8:33 PM    Report this comment

Good old Central Highlands, where I did all of my "hunting" with the 173rd Airborne Bridgade, actually I was "hunted" just as much, which gives you a whole new perspective, no walking down trails or blue lines (streambeds) always trying to stay in cover. I loved the mountains of the Central Highlands even with the heavy rucksacks compared to the rice paddies and the villages of the flatlands, no civilians in the mountains and a free fire zone, just US the VC and the NVA, and we all did a great job of killing each other.

Posted by: PH/CIB | August 4, 2011 5:16 PM    Report this comment

Funny that you mentioned driving the Alaska Highway. I did that in 1967, when I drove up in August.....1200 miles of dirt road, back then. In January 1969, I drove out on the Alaska Highway, and the trip was far better, since the hard packed snow made the highway almost as good as pavement.

Posted by: canovack | August 4, 2011 2:18 PM    Report this comment

Ah yes..... Eagle River was just short ride from my quarters at Fort Richardson. My duty station, however, was at Elmendorf AFB (right next to Ft Rich), since I was an Army officer assigned to the Alaskan Command/Alaskan NORAD Region. I saw a lot of Alaska, mostly on the tax payers' dime, since I spent most of my time performing staff assistance to the far flung NORAD warning stations spread across the Arctic coast, Bering Sea, and down the Aleutian Islands. Very conveniently, those stations were all situated in some prime hunting and fishing country. I would love to have spent more time there, but in January 1969 my tour was curtailed to reassign me to the 4th Infantry Division in the Central Highlands of Vietnam where I also did a lot of "hunting", and THAT is a whole other story.....

Posted by: canovack | August 4, 2011 2:13 PM    Report this comment

What a great story, Canovack! I about peed my pants reading it, while at the same time dying laughing! I hope those big bears have a sense of humor! Have driven the Alcan up and back and done the Inside Passage and hunted Bears and Moose up there. I love Alaska and if I could talk my Wife into it, I would be living in Eagle River right now! Thanks for sharing the story and a Big Thanks for Serving Our Country!

Posted by: PH/CIB | August 4, 2011 12:41 PM    Report this comment

PH/CIB, your comment about bears reminds me of an incident I had in Alaska while stationed there back in 1967-68. I had caught my limit of red salmon on the Russian River, down on the Kenai Peninsula, and as I was pulling the stringer out of the water, a large brown bear made her appearance across the stream. Her intent was pretty obvious, as she started into the stream coming in my direction. As I reached down for the Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Magnum on my right hip, I figured that it was suddenly awfully small, so I threw the stringer of fish to the center of the stream. That satisfied the bear, and I slowly, but quickly backed away from the scene. Once out of sight of the bear, I turned and ran like hell for my car.

Posted by: canovack | August 4, 2011 12:14 PM    Report this comment

Actually I commend Kahr for being the first to build extremely small pocket carry pistols in 9mm, 40 and 45 acp. While I do not think they are reliable, all the other brands I have tried have had problems too, that is why for pocket carry I carry a snub nosed revolver in my right front pocket with notning else in the pocket and two speed loaders in my left front pocket for a total of 15 rounds. I own over 20 handguns and only two revolvers, but there are two instances where I think revolvers shine, pocket carry and holster carry in extremely big bore calibers for defense against bears, although in that case I would rather carry my 458 rifle.

Posted by: PH/CIB | August 4, 2011 11:39 AM    Report this comment

Owning & operating a Kahr, especially the "PM" series is a little like owning a Porshe. They are not for everyone. Let's face it. We're Americans. Most of us don't want to stop and read directions. We want instant gratification. My "gun mentor" had me deliberately overlube my PM9 and put 200 shots of full power ammo through it. No more failures after that. Now it is as trustworthy as my Glock 22. The "PM" series are Kahrs' smallest, and lightest guns. Shooting my Glock 22 is kind of like driving a police cruiser. My Kahr is my little pocket rocket. Different tools for different jobs. While no gun is more reliable than a revolver, I gave up my Ruger SP101 about 7 years ago and am very happy with my Kahr.

Posted by: OregonGreg | August 4, 2011 11:01 AM    Report this comment

Actually the Kahr PM40 that I had was very accurate and in 40 caliber and 15 ounces easy to shoot, remember I put 1500 rounds through it, my only complaint, it was TOTALLY UNRELIABLE. Go online it is about 50/50, some guys swear by Kahr pistols and have had no problems with them, other guys swear at them and have had nothing but problems with them. As an ex combat soldier to me an unreliable weapon is not something I want to count my life on.

Posted by: PH/CIB | August 3, 2011 11:46 PM    Report this comment

I have a 3" Model 29 with a round butt. It's kind of small, not exactly light, and it was a ton of fun to shoot with full house loads - when I was in my twenties...

Posted by: PVB | August 3, 2011 9:27 PM    Report this comment

While I agree with the general idea that small handguns of large caliber are often less than fun to shoot, I have had some experiences with snub .357 and snub .44 Magnums that had ported barrels. There is an amazing difference between shooting small, lightweight, large caliber snubs and shooting small, lightweight, large caliber snubs with properly ported barrels. The ported pieces are pretty calm by comparison to their non-ported brethren.

Posted by: canovack | August 3, 2011 8:37 PM    Report this comment

Small "bulldog" guns have never been "fun at the range". I remember when .357s then .44 Magnums came out in snub nosed sizes. Now with titanium/Scandium revolvers the recoil continues to be a problem. PH/CIB, you had to know that a tiny polymer .45 ACP would not be fun to train with no matter the make.

Posted by: OregonGreg | August 3, 2011 8:12 PM    Report this comment

I bought the Kahr PM40 when it first came out. Put 1500 rounds through it of various ammunition, failure to return to battery, failure to feed, failure to eject, sent back to Kahr THREE TIMES, still does not work. In my opinion Kahr Firearms are junk and I would not advise anyone to carry one for self defense, for pocket carry I carry a Smith and Wesson 638 snub nose five shot revolver, for holster carry a Glock 19.

Posted by: PH/CIB | August 2, 2011 4:46 PM    Report this comment

I am presently having a torrid love affair with caliber .357 SIG. I have found that of the several .357 SIG pistols I have, some of them can accommodate .40 S&W barrels with nary a hitch except pulling out the .357 barrel and dropping in a .40 barrel. Now, you may have hit upon something that I can use as a reason to go for the PM40.....that being to serve as a BUG for when I am carrying a .40 on my hip as a principal weapon. Hmmm.....The next gun show is 20&21 August. 20 August is my wife's birthday, so I don't think attending a show on her birthday is a particularly good idea, and I will likely go on the 21st. By-the-way, as an aside, my wife already noted that the calendar is marked with a gun show for that week end.....and.....get this.....she is actually encouraging me to go to the gun show, as long as I make it home on time to take her to dinner. Wow! What a woman..... I surely struck gold when I married her!

Posted by: canovack | August 2, 2011 1:33 PM    Report this comment

I like Juknelis's math as well!

Canovack - I've found a somewhat effective way at reminding myself about "needs." I impulsively buy bullets (and other reloading components) when I see them on sale, because you never know when you will "need" more of the, right? I built a new shelf for bullets under my loading bench and took a picture of it to show someone what I had done. The photo has the added effect of providing the visual reminder that my bullet supply is far from being drained by my current shooting tempo.

On the other hand, I have an XD-40, and because I like it so much, every time I see an XD of any size or caliber, I feel the "need"... ;) I'm surprised you haven't picked up the Kahr 40 yet!

Posted by: PVB | August 2, 2011 12:43 PM    Report this comment

Well stated Juknelis! That's the kind of math anybody should be able to understand.

Posted by: canovack | August 2, 2011 12:00 PM    Report this comment

The need for another firearm is calculated agebraically...Need = N + 1 ("N" being the number of firearms I now own).

Posted by: Juknelis | August 2, 2011 11:41 AM    Report this comment

PVB, "need" is always an issue. It is far better to have, and not NEED, than it is to NEED and not have. Now, of course, if you are referring to "need" as in I "need" another firearm to add to my fairly large accumulation, then "need" may not be an issue. That said, however, how does one attend a gun show and not feel the "need" to acquire just one more piece?

Posted by: canovack | August 2, 2011 11:31 AM    Report this comment

canovack - is "need" really an issue? ;)

I've shot a few different Kahr's and I really like their triggers compared to most polymer arms.

Posted by: PVB | August 2, 2011 7:29 AM    Report this comment

Have fired PM40 and find recoil very manageable and not at all painful. m.4570

Posted by: m.4570 | July 30, 2011 11:12 PM    Report this comment

The boys at the range who have experience with
the guns from Reverend Moon's Universal Church;
do have relocations of unreliability.

Posted by: av8ors | July 30, 2011 9:31 PM    Report this comment

The boys at the range who have experience with
the guns from Reverend Moon's Universal Church;
do have relocations of unreliability.

Posted by: av8ors | July 30, 2011 9:27 PM    Report this comment

First, let me disclose that I know personally some of the folks involved in Kahr Arms. I wish I could afford to own at least one of each of their products (from full-auto Tommy guns to each of Kahr's "Bulldog" conceal carry pieces). I own and carry a PM9. I believe that the design and engineering team at Kahr has succeeded in producing the best deep concealment self -defense handguns for a realistic price. Notice that it wasn't until Kahr led the way that other companies started raising their standards and seriously competing for the deep-concealment full power (9mm or bigger) market. Remember when most of us were better off carrying a J-frame revolver rather than trusting to a PPK (or smaller} "semi-reliable" back-up gun? My back-up used to be a Ruger SP-101 with bobbed hammer (complete with long & massive trigger pull weight) Finally Kahr went polymer with their PM series. I found a good deal on an almost new PM9 one and snapped it up. After the required 200 round break-in period, it worked great. I try to shoot it monthly now. At its designed range (less than 21 feet) I know I am well defended. Since I live a "city and suburbs" lifestyle this works great for me. Remember, the "M" in Kahr's line is for "micro". These gun are made to "come out of nowhere" and surprise an aggressor with full size ammo delivered reliably on target. The CW line means that us working class folks can get one for around $400.

Posted by: OregonGreg | July 30, 2011 5:12 PM    Report this comment

Like my PM 40. Put several hundred rnds of 180 gr hb and same w/180
+ p reloads with no problems. Feeds lw hps also. As an old 45acp shooter, I enjoy the small extra energy recoil. I checked out a 40 ESP
BUT the slide spring too stiff for my arthritic hands and it needed a special tool for break down - KAHR - almost as much fun to fire as
my Sig 1911 C-3 in 45.

Posted by: xhumbug | July 28, 2011 11:07 PM    Report this comment

I've owned a Kahr P9C "covert" for a number of years. I wear it deep cover in a tuckable holster. 100% reliable. I would have no trepedations about buying a PM40 if I ever felt the need. Very well made in the USA guns.

Posted by: RAYMOND K | July 28, 2011 10:46 PM    Report this comment

I have been carrying a Kahr PM9 as a back-up piece in a Galco Pro pocket holster for the past several months. It works great as a BUG, and I even carry the extra magazine for it. I suppose if I didn't already have the PM9, I might be interested in the PM40, but I don't really see the need for it. My principal belt carry pieces are compact pistols and/or revolvers in .45 ACP and .357 SIG, but I sometimes carry a .40 S&W, a 9x19mm, or even a .357 Mag. For me the PM9 fills the need for a BUG quite well.

Posted by: canovack | July 28, 2011 7:32 PM    Report this comment

I carry a PM40 most days. As a BUG I normally pocket carry in an Uncle Mike's pocket holster. Otherwise it's usually in a Don Hume clip-on IWB holster. It disappears under a T-shirt. It does kick rather stoutly, and a firm grip is essential for reliabiltiy, but it's not painful and is certainly manageble. The trade-off is nice size/power wise. Mine has the Ashley style Express Sites with the huge Tritium front bead. Not for long range target work but it gets on target FAST which is what this pistol is for.

Posted by: CeltKnight | July 28, 2011 6:02 PM    Report this comment

@ Dave606...I carry the larger P40, and, while I have found the .40 caliber in this small pistol to be "snappy" during practice, used as a defensive weapon, you won't be shooting dozens of rounds and the .40 caliber is aproven threat-stopper.

Posted by: Juknelis | July 28, 2011 2:36 PM    Report this comment

I've owned 6 different Kahr's since the mid-1990's. Currently I own and carry 3 pistols on various days depending on the weather and my clothing.
In the 90's I first bought the all steel K9. When the K40 was released I moved up to the higher caliber. This was my almost everyday carry pistol for almost 10 years.
When the PM45 was released I bought one with the hopes of having a very small pistol in a very good self defense caliber. It was a beast. It took me 150 rounds of practice before I felt comfortable enough to carry it concealed.
When a friend expressed interest in the pistol it did not take long before we came up with a trade that pleased both of us.
He is very pleased with the pistol but he is younger, bigger, stronger and has had much more tactical pistol training.
I soon found a very good deal on a PM9. It was outfitted with a Crimson Trace trigger guard laser and this pistol became my favorite ankle carry set up.
Around that time I also found an excellent deal on a CW45. This .45 was very comfortable to shoot (compared to the PM45). It is often carried in an IWB tuckable holster.
Somewhere in the mix I trade off my all steel Kahrs because of their weight.
Recently I found another excellent deal and could not resist purchasing a CW9.
This pistol works well on the ankle or in a tuckable holster (depending on clothing). It does not conceal as well on the ankle as the PM9.
All of these pistols handle very well. They are very dependable.
The slightly larger CW45 is very manageable although the PM45 was not manageable for me personally. Rather, it became manageable with much practice BUT it never became comfortable.
I can only imagine that the PM40 will be manageable and relatively comfortable based upon my 15 years of experience with Kahrs.

Posted by: drbigdaddy | July 28, 2011 1:58 PM    Report this comment

I read your report on the Kahr PM40. However you had no comments on the recoil. Many people have been complaining that the pistol is too small for that caliber. I want to buy one but i am concerned that the recoil is too brutal to practice with.

Posted by: dave606 | July 28, 2011 11:38 AM    Report this comment

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