June 18, 2008

Push for Electronic 4473 Form

The National Shooting Sports Foundation has begun urging ATF to adopt an electronic Form 4473 ("E-4473") that would be voluntary for both consumers and dealers and not connected to any government database (not a backdoor gun registry).

Accordingly, ATF is seeking public comment on the efficiency of its Firearms Transaction Record, ATF Form 4473 (Part 1, Over-the-Counter).

The NSSF says the comment period is an excellent opportunity for firearms dealers to tell ATF that an E-Form 4473 would:

ATF Form 4473

Enhance the utility and clarity of the information to be collected.

Minimize the burden of consumers and dealers in completing the form through the use of automated, electronic and technological collection techniques, e.g., permitting electronic submission of responses to the questions asked.

Reduce mistakes — no more violations for a "Y" instead of a "Yes".

Shorten ATF inspections — less time spent reviewing 4473s.

Send your comments to:

Lynn Bryant, Department Clearance Officer, Policy and Planning Staff, Justice Management Division, Department of Justice, Patrick Henry Building, Suite 1600, 601 D Street NW, Washington, DC 20530.

Comments (8)

As far as databases go - I wonder if it is occuring anyway. THe SS#, Address, DL#, etc are already read back by the 4473 background center. So they know that you are buying a gun - maybe not the specific gun - but that info is on the paper form which by tracing back the approval number can provide that info. If the time comes they'll know which door to knock on, have "reasonable cause" to search and know what they're looking for. It is a hare's breath away from that too - all they need is a disaster (terror or natural) and to declare martial law. Then you're faced with a decision......

Posted by: Unknown | July 7, 2008 9:46 AM    Report this comment

NSSF is an anti an anti-gun origination using a pro-gun name to confuse gun owners. They can use name they want, dosen't mean anything. Maybe they will sometimes do just barley enough to make you think not. Like backing a few bills they know not pass anyway. Take a look at reports from real pro-gun groups like Gun Owners Of America. Hope you aren’t sending them any donations, it is money to fund anti gun laws.

Posted by: ldh45 | June 23, 2008 12:32 AM    Report this comment

A CD WITH A COMPUTER 4473 WE CAN USE TO FILL OUT AND HAVE SIGNED BY THE BUYER WOULD SAVE MILLIONS BECAUSE ATF IS CHANGING THE FORM TOO OFTEN AND PRINTING COST IS CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN PROVIDING A CD WITH THE FORM WE COULD ADD TO OUR COMPUTERS CHECK OFF THE QUESTIONS THE BUYER ANSWERS THEN PRINT IT AT OUR EXPENSE AND FILE AS USUAL.
A BETTER IDEA IS TO DO AWAY WITH ALL THE GOVERNMENT HOOP A LOO AND FOLLOW THE 2ND AMENDMENT.

Posted by: COMPA | June 22, 2008 10:21 AM    Report this comment

A piece of paper stays with the dealer (available for inspection as warranted).
Once the info is electronic, all bets are off.
It will be easily available for data base compilation and security breaches.

Keep the paper and a telephone call. Criminlal records should be in an electronic system, not info on law abiding citizens.

Posted by: MLB | June 20, 2008 10:59 PM    Report this comment

I would be in favor of an electronic form that could be filled out ahead of time by a buyer. I hate filling out forms, and the 4473 is 100% repetition, except for th date. If I could keep an electronic version on my PC and give that to the FFL at time of purchase, he would have a much more legible document, and a much shorter transaction time.
Full electronic submissions I am against. As noted by others, electronic data gathering is way too easy to abuse, by government and other thieves.

Posted by: REX B | June 20, 2008 8:36 AM    Report this comment

This just does not make sense. NSSI should know better. Of all the electronic data bases out there subject to various mischief one involving gun owners should not exist. The political mischief which could result is a given. The potential for criminal mischief should have been considered by NSSF. It begs the question of whether some of the folks at NSSF have a case of S.F.B.

Posted by: donearlgunnut | June 19, 2008 5:35 PM    Report this comment

BAD idea!

Posted by: tankjas556 | June 19, 2008 4:36 PM    Report this comment

I'm usually with the NSSF, but not on this. Eliminate all the stupid questions on the 4473! "Are you the actual buyer of this firearm?" "What color are you?" Well, duh! Name, address, photo ID. Computer hackers looking for a stash of firearms would love it! And, it appears you need to buy a software program to use the E form. No thanks.

Posted by: Teddy. | June 19, 2008 3:52 PM    Report this comment

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