October 27, 2010

NRA Video: Remington Responds to CNBC Attack

(GunReports.com) — Cam Edwards of the NRA talks to Jason Schauble, VP of Remington Defense, who responds to allegations made against Remington by CNBC.


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Posted by: diadempea | October 20, 2013 6:14 PM    Report this comment

hey folks- there really is no "SAFETY" on the rem 700, there is a trigger disconnect. Not a safety that prevents the firing pin from hitting the primer.. Mausers, k-10 swiss, older model stevens, and remingtons did have safies on the rear of their bolts that had to be turned to allow the firing pin to drop... others like the 870 shotgun have a cross-bolt safety that prevent the trigger from being disengaged from the sear- however the rem 700 is constructed differently. Internal REMINGTOM documents state "The NBAR program had as its goal improvement of the defective fire control
on the Model 700," Texas Supreme Court Justice Lloyd Dogget in December 1992. "(The documents) provide evidence of great significance ... as to
Remington's knowledge of defects and of its ability to implement safer alternative designs."
Seems to me that there is much more to this story!!!

Posted by: retired87068 | October 25, 2010 8:15 PM    Report this comment

Sammy - watch the video and read the reports. This isn't about people being "that stupid" as you say.

Posted by: PVB | October 24, 2010 4:04 PM    Report this comment

If any firearm is not properly served and kept clean it will fail. I have two remy 700's both have worked faultlessly for many years1(15) and are super kit.
Some people don't wash their faces but that's no good reason for the rest of us to be that stupid GBA

Posted by: sammy sake | October 24, 2010 3:14 PM    Report this comment

Being popular does not mean you are “right”, honorable or even do an effective job. I think it is sad how today people are willing to trade in their values for “popularity”. Just because “The Big Bang Theory” is one of the most popular television shows does not make it “good”.

Posted by: broadswordsman | October 22, 2010 1:12 PM    Report this comment

No matter what about the rifle , We DO know that CNBC is defective. That's why their ratings are so low.

Posted by: Mister E | October 22, 2010 12:46 PM    Report this comment

Mister E are we supposed to have the gun fire on it's own and then and then "know" that there is a defect?

Posted by: broadswordsman | October 22, 2010 12:25 PM    Report this comment

Every time I see an automobile it makes me scared, because the steering mechanism could break and the car could lurch uncontrolled, running me over. Every time I see a shooting star, I get scared because it could hit me on the head.

Posted by: Mister E | October 22, 2010 12:23 PM    Report this comment

Maybe Remington didn't fix them because owners didn't send them in. It takes two to tango.

Posted by: Mister E | October 22, 2010 12:20 PM    Report this comment

I agree - there is a trigger design flaw. that is why there is an aftermarket demand. and companies make money on replacement triggers for rem 700 rifles. Why does remington not put up a picture of their great - "discontinued" trigger. It is not in their new guns. wonder why? I do have 2 rem 700's one has had repeated trigger problems and i will replace it with one from timeny.

Posted by: retired87068 | October 21, 2010 3:46 PM    Report this comment

Alan - agreed.

Posted by: PVB | October 21, 2010 3:27 PM    Report this comment

I guess I was not clear, I think there is a design or faulty trigger issue.
The worst part is that Remington didn't just fix it when they had the chance.
However, There is more to this than a bad gun design or a bad company policy.
I support product liability as long as it is equal to user responsibilty.
I know that people will say that if only one single gun has an accidental discharge for any reason that is one too much. That is an extreme position. We don't cancel the constitution because a few legislators failed in their duty.
Remington just needs to man up and resolve it.

Posted by: Hist Mil Firearms | October 21, 2010 2:22 PM    Report this comment

To Sven. your right a good lawyer is an oxymoron. it is like 10000 lawyers in the ocean would be a good start.

Posted by: pa-cman | October 21, 2010 1:40 PM    Report this comment

It's not like Remington hasn't had design problems in the past with the triggers in their rifles.

Anyone who has owned a REM model 600 should know about the factory recall on those rifles' triggers.

Closing the bolt with the safety ON and having the firing pin drop on my .350 Rem Magnum caused me to send a round down range. It quickly made a believer out of me.

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the claim of an inherent design flaw.

Posted by: RackEmPunk | October 21, 2010 1:24 PM    Report this comment

Alan B - the issue at hand: if you watch the video with the Maine state troopers, and read some of other reports from gun related forums, you will see that the risk of injury will NOT be reduced to 0% by following safe handling precepts.

As for your being careful with the hammer metaphor, if 1% of the hammer heads were flying off and causing injury, there would certainly be litigation. I'm sure Ford's Explorer tire failures were less than 1%. I'm sure the people who have been injured or worse from one of the 1% failure rate you indicate Remington found think differently than you.

Most of us "here" are probably safe shooters - always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction, always keep the finger off the trigger until ready to shoot, and always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use. How many of us have a bolt action rifle precisely on target when we close the bolt, or apply the mechanical safety? Even if it only happens in 1% of the guns, there is a problem.

The issue here is not one of shooter safety or gunsmith qualification. While both may play a role in some of the incidents, there is very clearly a concern with the trigger design that Remington has not addressed. Over simplified: it is possible for the connector, which the shooter does not even see, to act like a trigger. BAD idea! I can't keep my finger off the trigger in that case, can I? That, IMO, is a design flaw and unsafe tool.

Yes, CNBC is on some sort of witch hunt; however, we Remington fans need to be knowledgeable and not just assume CNBC is wrong. Yes, home gunsmithing can exacerbate any flaws and create others. Yes, the reporters may be idiots, but if we assume they are idiots and do no additional research, we will be the idiots.

Posted by: PVB | October 21, 2010 1:08 PM    Report this comment

I watched the CNBC report.
I think they found a 1% failure rate.
Remington has always known there was a potential risk. The risk of injury is reduced to 0% if the ten commandments of safe handling are followed. However, that doesn't address the issue of a faulty design that may allow for accidental discharge in "certain conditions".

I also agree that this was a witch hunt by CNBC to demonized a successful firearms manufacturer.
I am sorry that Remington didn't address the issue in the 1960's when the cost of correction was 5.5 cents per rifle and fewer guns had been produced.

The air line industry has been doing the same thing for years. When a plan crashes it is a catastrophy, but fixing some nut or bolt on every plane in the fleet is more expensive than paying loss claims if a plane should crash.

A fire arm is a tool, If a hammer hit your thumb,1% of the time would we demand a new hammer design or would we say be careful?

If the risk of failure can be eliminated in future production it should be done.
and for those 1% who experience a failure, the weapon should be replaced or repaired free.
NEXT topic?

Posted by: Hist Mil Firearms | October 21, 2010 12:36 PM    Report this comment

Olive: Assuming you are not pulling our collective legs, you might seriously consider therapy. Being genuinely frightened about something that is inherently safe when handled properly is not normal. Do you feel the same way about impact wrenches and sabre saws?

Posted by: mookien | October 21, 2010 12:11 PM    Report this comment

I own a 700 in .270. I've always had it work correctly for me. But I watched the video. I don't think the Maine State Police are part of some conspiracy. This looks like a problem.

Posted by: broadswordsman | October 18, 2010 4:46 PM    Report this comment

Sounds like the defect is the person who pointed a gun at someone else. I'm betting this will be a show of juiced up triggers, poorly altered fire systems.

Posted by: OysterShooter | October 18, 2010 2:39 PM    Report this comment

Looks like olive is baiting an arguement 2 days in a row, sorry no takers. Lawyers are like sperm, one in a million become human beings.

Posted by: Robert J | October 18, 2010 8:34 AM    Report this comment

Every time I see a gun it makes me scared, thinking what if the owner shot the gun accidentally and it hurts me. That is why I am scared looking at guns.

Posted by: olive | October 18, 2010 12:00 AM    Report this comment

Every time I see a gun it makes me scared, thinking what if the owner shot the gun accidentally and it hurts me. That is why I am scared looking at guns.

Posted by: olive | October 17, 2010 11:59 PM    Report this comment

In my experience there are only two types of lawyers; Lying self-serving SOB's and Incompetent, lying, self-serving SOB's. hopefully if you need one you'll get one who is competent.

Posted by: Sven | October 16, 2010 4:42 PM    Report this comment

Everybody hates lawyers--even other lawyers. Until you need one.

Posted by: Visigoth52 | October 16, 2010 1:14 PM    Report this comment

Somebody should sue CNBC for their misfires.

Posted by: Mister E | October 15, 2010 7:47 PM    Report this comment

A "good" lawyer is an oxymoron.

Posted by: Sven | October 15, 2010 5:34 PM    Report this comment

"Investigation?" read "Witchhunt". The leftist media continually makes me sick to my stomach. I can't believe there has been a so-called problem that has existed for so long without some sleazebag lawyers already having a field day. All of a sudden CNBC has unearthed evidence of corporate malfeasance that has eluded the mainstream media for 60 years? I don't buy it.

Posted by: fourfortyfour | October 15, 2010 4:21 PM    Report this comment

As a gunsmith I have seen what people can do to there gun thru neglect and not wanting to pay a gunsmith to do the trigger job. Guns are made by humans useing machines, and sometimes there is a problem but the manufacturer will gladly take it back and fix it.

Posted by: William D | October 15, 2010 3:33 PM    Report this comment

My Momma always tole me " If you don't do anything, then you'll never do anything wrong." When a gun manufacturer, a car manufacturer, A doctor, or a engineer screws up. there's There's always a lawyer ready to sue. When a lawyer screws up, and believe a bad lawyer can REALLY mess up your life, Other lawyers will do nothing to rectify the situation. The will say, that too bad, but we can do nothing. Until lawyers go after bad lawyers, they should be prevented from going other professions.

Posted by: Mister E | October 15, 2010 2:24 PM    Report this comment

If there is a problem, It's probably due to dirt, faulty ammo, a damaged or improperly modified part. If a part is easily damaged, then Remington should refit a better part. Unwanted firing is a sure sign of a needed repair, This is not just Remingtons but AR-15s, that double fire and the like. Send it to the factory, don't sue. If the owner follows gun safety rules, then there shouldn't be a legal issue. If an incident happened 5-years ago then all evidence is gone. The case should be thrown out. What I'm am worried about is a precedent will be set. Than all guns that do something odd will be cause for a lawsuit. That will include SAAs, Old Blackhawks, Percussion chainfires. Anything with a design problem, that is addressed by common sense, like not putting a round under a a hammer. The price of guns will go up. Finally, Remington owners will all get a check for $6, while the lawyers make millions. If your gun goes off by itself, or doesn't go off when it's supposed to, send it in for repair, It's dangerous.

Posted by: Mister E | October 15, 2010 2:16 PM    Report this comment

Why would someone SLAM a bolt closed? That's like wacking a revolver hammer. The gun might withstand the abuse, but it's never a good idea.

Posted by: Mister E | October 15, 2010 1:59 PM    Report this comment

I'm sorry, but I have owned 2 Model 700s over the years and indeed one of them started going off when I slammed the bolt closed. I thought I had touched the trigger, but it did it again while deer hunting and trying for a rapid second shot. The very good gun smith I took it to took it apart and cleaned it up which seemed to cure it, but I was alway nervous from then on. Then I read in a gun magazine that Remington would repair the trigger of Model 700s free of charge. This was about 10 or 15 years ago. I traded it in anyway (on a Weatherby Ultralight) and later saw my old gun in the gun shop and it had been modified so that the bolt could be worked with the safety on. I don't know what else was done, but since the bolt has to be worked while hunting with the safety off I wonder if this would only help while loading and unloading. I'd like to know what the real story is. But I can assure you there was a problem with that gun.

Posted by: Deputy Dick | October 15, 2010 7:05 AM    Report this comment

Have owned a Rem 700 in one form or another for the last 40 years and still own one, never had a single problem. Wonder why, if there's such a problem, why the 700 is the sniper rifle of choise for the army and marines? Would've loved to had one in the old country when everything was a free fire zone in command & control north.

Posted by: firstsoldier | October 15, 2010 5:02 AM    Report this comment

It's so relatively rare that a gun manufacturer makes a major/newsworthy blunder. I could sense CNBC salivating. However I don't believe we will lose this fight -- taking away guns in this pathological world would tantamount to communism.

Posted by: tovlogos | October 14, 2010 10:52 PM    Report this comment

I will have to admit I am a CNBC fan and I will watch this show. I especially enjoy the early morning programs.

However, I have owned a Remington Model 700 Classic in 7mm Rem Mag for many years (a sweet rifle!) It has never fired except when I pulled the trigger. Anyhow, a chamber-loaded rifle should ALWAYS be pointed in a safe direction.

Posted by: Mark A. C | October 14, 2010 7:31 PM    Report this comment

Like other comments, here, I have to say that what passes for "news", just isn't. In the quest for "pretty talking heads", somehow actual news has turned into pure opinion and is painful to listen or watch.
I don't want to hear their personal experiences from their recent past or what they think. Their jobs are to report the news without running comments.

Posted by: Two Hand *SASS* | October 14, 2010 6:25 PM    Report this comment

CNBC and MSNBC are the biggest jokes in broadcasting. Their "hard news" is poisoned by leftist editorializing, and as a result, their ratings are the lowest in the industry. This is a real shame considering that CNBC started out as an excellent hard news/news analysis program, with multiple views aired on each story.

I want information, not propaganda. I don't listen to right-wing talk radio, and I don't listen to left-wing NPR or cable. Give me accurate and complete information and keep the left/right agitprop.

Gaviota

Posted by: Lee W | October 14, 2010 6:06 PM    Report this comment

don't own a remington rifle, but i don' see a company like thais getting away with a problem like this for sixty years. especially in lawsuit happy society. i'd guess that the former employee who says he designed the trigger assembly has some kind of ax he wants to grind, and decided this was way to do it

Posted by: robert b | October 14, 2010 6:02 PM    Report this comment

The main stream media has an agenda and it is not a search for the truth. They are partisan hypocrites and demonstrated liars, little of what they have to say is to be taken as fact.

Posted by: Sven | October 14, 2010 5:55 PM    Report this comment

Just the NBC logo says it all, These are the people who said cops were wearing bullet proof vest, and were to shoot. These are the people who give aid and comfort to the Taliban. Need I say more??

Posted by: lotoofla | October 14, 2010 3:21 PM    Report this comment

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