February 28, 2012

Caesar Guerini Tempio 3-inch 12 Gauge

Gun Tests magazine recently ran an over/under match-up with a distinctly international taste to it. The increasingly popular Caesar Guerini represented the Italian trigger-plate actions in a test of general-purpose shotgun models suitable for hunting and casual clays use.

It is a 3-inch-chamber 12 gauge that would likely be the most expensive shotgun 95% of us might own.

The Caesar Guerini Tempio 3-Inch 12 Gauge, $3195, has a low-profile receiver, Prince-of-Wales grip, and schnable fore-end. The receiver’s "French grey" metal finish is a nickel alloy underlying full-coverage scroll engraving featuring Bulino-style gold game scenes. The Tempio also features a deluxe grade of Turkish walnut with a hand-rubbed oil finish.

With the stage set, GT set out to find if the Tiempo could possibly be worth a $1400 price premium between it and other guns. Here’s what they said:

The CG style of over/under is similar to the better Battista Rizzini models. It is the sleek Italian triggerplate action that has found favor with many.

The tested CG Tempio came equipped with an option we weren’t looking for, the "DTS kinetic balancer," which is a more elegant way to balance your shotgun the way you prefer. It is certainly more elegant than gluing in alternator brackets and the like. Out of the box, the Tempio weighed in at 7.8 pounds with the installed balancer. We didn’t like the buttstock-heavy feel the balancer gave the gun, and it rattled a bit, as you might expect from sleeve weights held between springs retained in place by set collars. We could not wait to remove the balancer; that’s the first thing we did, giving the CG Tempio a 7.5-pound unloaded weight, with neutral balance. In any case, the DTS kinetic balancer came installed in the gun, but it actually is a $145 option. For field and casual clays use, we wouldn’t get the balancer as an option. For a longer-barreled dedicated clays gun with a heavier, wider rib and barrel set—it may be desirable.

Gun Tests October 2009

All of the test shooters said they preferred the Caesar Guerini Tempio. The choice is not that easy, of course, if cost gets factored in. Ultimately, the more you walk, the more you’ll likely opt for the Caesar Guerini.

We liked the distinct mineral streaks in the wood of the CG and the extensive checkering present on the forearm—essentially wrap-around checkering. The buttstock had a palm swell in the pistol-grip area, another touch we welcomed. Visually, it makes both the Cynergy and 101 shotguns look pretty sad. We note that unless otherwise requested, the company’s field guns come with a wood buttplate—a notion virtually guaranteed to punish the shooter. Insist on a recoil-pad-equipped stock similar to the one tested here.

According to our team, the Guerini’s receiver was the most attractive of the tested guns, a pleasant dark-gray finish with sharp scroll work that helped the gold-inlayed birds on both sides of the receiver and the bottom stand out nicely. The tasteful scroll work didn’t end at the receiver, either—we thought the trigger guard was extremely well-done as well.

Gun Tests October 2009

There are nice little touches throughout the gun, including the stippled gold trigger.

We found the CG tang safety to be overly stiff; it was hardly effortless to get off. In fact, for field use with cold or gloved hands, the button gave the thumb scant purchase to take off the safety, but a generous, prominent, steep ridge to put it back on—the opposite of what we would prefer. Only the Cynergy got it right as far as we are concerned. Caesar Guerini offered to lighten the safety under its customer service plan. The gun went back to CG, and they turned it around with lightning speed. According to Wes Lang of CG, the standard CG safety was modified at the behest of clays shooters, who were accidentally switching barrels with its more prominent center slide "barrel-selector" section. So what CG did was go back to the original safety style on their field guns—and that is the safety that was installed on our test gun and returned to us. It was much easier to get off, even though the profile didn’t change much. But CG lightened the safety, so it was dramatically better than as originally supplied.

Gun Tests October 2009

The nickel-alloy French grey finish of the CG Tempio, the best wood of the test, and the gorgeous scroll work and well-done gold inlays produced a beautiful machine.

We continued to find a lot of value in the Tempio’s presentation. Where the Winchester and Browning shotguns were a skimpy in the choke department, CG provided five flush-mount choke tubes with the Tempio. The CG Tempio also came in a very good combination-lock equipped red-flocked case—where the rest of the shotguns were shipped in cardboard boxes. (Browning requires a copy of your form 4473 and some paperwork to send you the Cynergy Club case.) They came in an eight-slot hard-plastic choke case suitable for regular or extended choke tubes—another touch the active shooter will appreciate.

Another feature unique to Caesar Guerini is the "Pit Stop Program." Once a year for three years, the original purchaser can send his CG to Guerini USA for a professional cleaning and tune-up. CG promises a five- to seven-business-day turnaround. This is another benefit that is up to the individual to value. We feel this is a couple of hundred dollars worth of shop labor, and CG pays your return shipping as well.

The more time we spent with the CG, the more we appreciated it.

However, some shooters find it appropriate for field models. Center: One of the things Browning got right was the Cynergy tang safety. It was effortless to work in either direction. Right: The CG’s tang safety was overly stiff and its thin profile made it difficult to take off, to the delight of pheasants and quail. We sent our gun back to have the effort required to take the safety off reduced, which helped some.

Gun Tests October 2009

The Tempio features deluxe Turkish walnut with a hand-rubbed oil finish. We liked the distinct mineral streaks in the wood and the extensive checkering present on the forearm.

It shot to point of aim with spot-on barrel regulation. The CG had the crispest triggers of the test, breaking right at 5 pounds. Yet another touch we noted and immediately liked was the stippled face of the gold CG trigger.

Gun Tests Said: Overall, the CG Tempio was an outstanding example of what we think a quality over/under should be. It has the looks, the handling, the triggers, the metalwork, and the overall responsiveness in the field to be a solid notch above most everything else in its price range. Also worth noting are the included hard case, three free "pit stops" of service, and a lifetime warranty. No over-the-counter written warranty comes with the other tested shotguns.

Comments (32)

Having been an "artist" of the shotgun for the past 43 years i have seen a lot of shotguns come and go in the market. Every gun has its place and cover different necesities. Maybe "el cheapo" brand ain't good enough for me, but it can be the cup of tea for another friend. Guerini shotguns show care in their build. I have handled a few and some of my friends shoot them regularly at the skeet and sporting ranges. No, it is not a low profile gun. No Browning design action is. Please, I know that this shotguns are not built by Browning, I'm refering to the design of the receiver. This one closes with the wedge at the bottom of the barrels and that makes for a taller receiver. Oh, but this receivers are masterly sculpted, and are a lot more pleasant to the eye than a Citori. How much will endure one of this actions is a thing that has to be seen. Don't take me for granted, I'm partial to Beretta, K80, Perazzi and Merkel (this last for hunting). But I also own Benelli and Remington semi- autos. The Guerini is a well built shotgun and from my point of view, the price is justified. I know some of the friends on the blog find it expensive, but the good O/U market has always. Een expensive. A DT10 goes for 8k, Perazzi is on 9-10k, K80 10.5k, so a good Guerini gun is not so expensive at 3 grand. This is a pleasure you are not going to forget, buy a good double and experiece the thrill of firing one of this jewells.

Posted by: Firemouth | March 5, 2012 11:03 AM    Report this comment

OlafhardtB, I did read your post with tongue in cheek. As I stated above, we old timers toss around some gaffes with each other from time to time. That said, in the off-chance that you were poking fun, while satirically criticizing, I wanted to assure you that we all welcome most anything that our members want to write, with the exception of insults and name-calling.

Posted by: canovack | March 5, 2012 10:36 AM    Report this comment

Canovack, how could you possibly read my comments and think I take this seriously. I promise you I have no intention of buying an Italian o/u or a Chysler, or wiping my rear end with a handful of snow.

Posted by: olafhardtB | March 4, 2012 8:31 PM    Report this comment

Don't take things too seriously in this forum, olafhardtB. We generally do address the subject of the discussion thread. That said, because some of us have been in this forum for several years, we may have a tendency to diverge. It's kind of like a bunch of guys who get together, and who knows where the chat may go? While some really off-the-wall things have been written, as you noted, we are very much open to questions and discussion concerning the subject of the thread. One thing that likely will always pop up in our discussions is the current state of Second Amendment rights. I might add, that this forum is one of the most fruitful sources of information, since most who post here are very willing to share their experiences and opinions.

Posted by: canovack | March 4, 2012 4:57 PM    Report this comment

I have read in GUN TESTS that Peter C. was a fraud. I don't know. I am trying to educate my self. From this discussion I have learned that I need a shotgun with a name I can't pronounce, a Chrysler, and to drive to Colorado, where I will wipe my a-- with snow. Mom would be proud!

Posted by: olafhardtB | March 4, 2012 2:28 PM    Report this comment

davidb, As a big fan of Peter Hathaway Capstick and having read every one of his books, I recall in one of his books he did extensive testing for the perfect load for wounded leopards in close cover. He settled on #4 buck for all close quarter, life threatening stalks. I don't recall all the reasons he settled on #4 buck, but it made perfectly good sense to me at the time. So I load my extended mag. Rem. 870 with 3" mag 41 pellet #4 buck, and alternate every other round with OO buck shot.Seems like a good plan to me. Since, I can't remember Capstick's reasoning, I may need to dust off his books and reread them.I would probably have to reread all of them to find it, but that would be time well spent. Capsticks books on African big game hunting gave me a look at a place I'll never be able to afford to hunt, through the eyes of a professional hunter who lived the life. I think his books are out of print now, but if you can find them, they probably have collector value by now.

Posted by: winnieguy | March 4, 2012 3:51 AM    Report this comment

David b, I cannot remember exactly where it was, but I do recall seeing advertisements for shotgun speed loaders. They look like speed strips, but of course, they are much larger. The maker claims you can easily stuff as many as five shot shells into your tubular magazine at one time.

Posted by: canovack | March 3, 2012 5:41 PM    Report this comment

Davidb, In my experience, which, ain't that much, you are expecting more spread than you will get. For a shotgun with sread and speed loading capability get one of these $3200 Cesere Goonies and saw it off. Or you can get a Purdy and flatten the muscles slightly with a clawr hammer.

Posted by: olafhardtB | March 3, 2012 1:51 PM    Report this comment

I've been tending toward either #1 or #4 buck, as it seems to me that hitting a target simultaneously with 24 or 27 pellets the diameter of a .25 or .22 would not only dissipate all the energy, but would also likely not penetrate too badly into my neighbor's apartments. There's also the advantage that if my invader is wearing anything even close to heavy clothing or armor, then the high number of pellets may find a crack or small exposed spot, especially if I target the collar bone or groin areas. I've not had to test that theory yet, thankfully, and just hope it's valid if I ever do find myself testing it.

I asked about frangibles because I'm thinking a center-mass hit would put anybody on his back no matter what he's wearing. A follow-up in whatever soft spot is exposed by that first shot will finish the home invasion - at least by that one guy.

Now, if I could only figure out something like a stripper clip for loading my Mossberg's tube mag... I wonder if splitting one side of a piece of old garden hose would serve that purpose? Maybe its another 'experiment' to try at the range.

Posted by: david b | March 3, 2012 1:10 PM    Report this comment

I have no personal experience with frangible slugs, but in theory, they should be pretty effective on target since they deliver all of their kinetic energy to the target. I am led to believe they drastically curtail problems with over-penetration of such things as dry-wall. My own personal preferences, for shotgun ammo, run to multiple projectile loads for basically the same reason as stated for frangible projectiles. I figure that a handful of 00 or 000 buckshot will deliver all energy to the target, and by spreading that delivery over a larger area than what one slug covers, might be more decisive. As for penetration of dry-wall, I suspect the buckshot will punch a pretty decent sized hole in the wall and will keep going on the other side.....thereby resulting in some undesirable consequences.....depending on the situation. If your adversary is on the other side of the wall, and you know exactly where he is, penetration may be OK.

Posted by: canovack | March 3, 2012 11:22 AM    Report this comment

Speaking of what comes OUT of the shotgun, do any of you fellas have any practical experience with using frangible slugs? If so, please post something about that experience.

Posted by: david b | March 3, 2012 8:51 AM    Report this comment

Thank canovack old friend, I guess maybe I ot to do alittle more checking on the good old Mossberg simi autos. If I remember right they still can be adapted for more than just hunting if ya know what I mean,cause one of my pumps has the extra load tube,sure is nice when putting out them extra 00 buck rounds down range.
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Get the US Out of the UN and the UN Out of the US.

Posted by: bear1 | March 2, 2012 6:08 PM    Report this comment

Bear1, old friend, we keep hearing that Benelli firearms are supposedly legendary for their reliability. That said, you and I both know that the shotguns used in Vietnam, that performed with distinction, were nothing more than Mossberg M500s. Of course, most of us know that in the DoD contracting process, the lowest bidder gets the contract, but in the marketplace, Mossberg has always given good value for the price. So, bear1, rest easy in the knowledge that you are well armed for the game fields and the fields of combat.

Posted by: canovack | March 2, 2012 5:35 PM    Report this comment

Well taking in that I can't afford these high priced guns, and have other guns I want to get like the mini thirty and maybe acouple Benellis in simi autos, I guess this Old disabled Nam vet will just have to stick with my trusty Old Mossberg 500's pumps I have for now. By the way dose anyone have any info on the Benellis.
God Bless America and Our Troops Past Present and Future.
Keeping to My Oath Locked Loaded and Keeping My Powder Dry.
Get the US Out of the UN and the UN Out of the US.

Posted by: bear1 | March 2, 2012 1:22 PM    Report this comment

Is it eletist for someone that owns 2 of this gun while nobody else does to extol just how good they are? It might have come off less to you (it didn't come off that way to me) if he had compared them directly to known guns like a Browning Citori or Beretta Whity Onyx. Keep in mind these should be considered very affordable since a new Winchester 101 is MSRP in the $2200 range. How many of us have even swung a CG, a Rizzini or a Perazzi? It might be the same as asking how many have driven a Porsche, Maserati or Ferrari. Just because you haven't and you won't does not mean that those that have are elitists because they know how great those are. They are just lucky enough to know how great they are! I have only two 2 barrled guns. A Baikal .410 SxS and a Franchi 20 O&U. I chose that Franchi over my looooong craved for Ruger Red Lable. The price was only slightly more but the feel was incredible. It was like meeting the Playmate of your dreams only to find out you couldn't stand to talk to her. Those Red Labels felt just awful! To date my Franchi remains my favorite fitting shotgun. For all shotguns personal fit should be at the top of the list of needs (not wants). Maybe like shoes the Italians just get that better. I know for me that is true - though I don't own a single pair of italian shoes! David relating to your hunting story, I was on an Elk hunt in Colorado one year & I'd failed to take along every essential on a days outing. Had to use snow for some .. uh.. very personal business. The Coloradoans I was hunting with stopped giving me that 'Texas Hunter' BS and said I was tough enough to hunt with them any time. ;)

Posted by: Markbo | March 2, 2012 9:06 AM    Report this comment

LOL. Thanks for the laugh, olafhardtB.

Posted by: david b | March 1, 2012 9:35 PM    Report this comment

Well guys I guess I started all this with my original smart mouthed remark. I would say I was sorry but I ain't. I have an Italian over-under that I think is a great squirrel gun, an Italian savagi squirrelique M 24 22/20 gauge

Posted by: olafhardtB | March 1, 2012 9:30 PM    Report this comment

Well, sir, I hunted with my Mossberg 500 AT - Which I'm sure you know is a 12 ga. pump gun. I used a vent rib barrel with a sphere sight button on the end. All in all, a very common, low budget configuration.

As it turned out, I was a pretty good wing-shot, and a good judge of distance, so I lost few - darned few, missed some but most were one shot drops. (I did have to strip nekked in the snow once and get into a freezing cold river to retrieve a bufflehead I'd killed - it got hung up on a fallen tree and I didn't want my dog going in there because it was dangerous. You never ask anyone to go where you're afraid to go yourself, you know, and I couldn't do that to my dog. It was cold, but my clothes were dry when I got back so 'cold' didn't last too long.)

I hunted with guys who used more pricey pump and semi-auto guns, or even side-by-side doubles. It didn't seem to make much difference. If a guy can shoot well with his gun - even Grandpa's single with the repaired stock - then that's the gun he needs and uses. I did OK, my friends did OK. I'd say it's all a matter of preference for the gun, and confidence in the gun to do the job. Mine did it's job, cheap and old as it was. I think I paid about $90 for it in about '70, and it's still my go-to gun for small game and deer. (We don't have many places where you actually need the range of a rifle in these parts.) IMO, it's a personal thing - guns, dogs, women, liquor - just a matter of preference. And it's a good thing we don't all like the same in any of them, as there'd be too little to go around if we did.

Posted by: david b | March 1, 2012 7:20 PM    Report this comment

Well, guys, let the peace of the pastures reign supreme..... We're all in the same boat, here, when it comes to our love of firearms and Second Amendment rights. There have been a couple of guys who came into this forum and were so abusive that the webmaster had to bar them from future participation, but I don't see any of that in our recent exchange.

Anyway, david b, I found it interesting that you've done considerable waterfowl hunting. Back before I knew any better, I used to always take my Browning Superposed Lightning into the duck blinds, and I always felt pretty well equipped. Then recently, I read an article in one of the gun magazines that extolled the virtues of the pump shotgun as the only sane way of hunting ducks and geese. The author made sense, when he discussed the need for a third shot. So, david b, what's your take on the best shotgun for water-fowling in a blind or sneak boat?

Posted by: canovack | March 1, 2012 6:36 PM    Report this comment

Peace it is, dobervol. I was rethinking a bit and was ready to do the same. My fault - I interpreted some of your style as snarky - and while that has its place at times, when it's unnecessary it gets my goat. I was reading your reply to canovack as 'unnecessarily snarky', and got my back up.

Honestly, I wish I could afford a nice Italian shotgun. When I was hunting waterfowl every day I could, I'd look at those guns and practically drool in public. But now I've been bankrupted and divorced twice each - and I can't even afford to think about them. But I've also found out through my "2x2" experiences that at least in my opinion they are a luxury (meaning I think there are cheaper things that do the same job - which probably makes my Estwing hammers luxuries too), ergo my comments about the price - which you may have interpreted as a put down on the gun or your choices, but wasn't really. I just find that I no longer want something so nice that I feel I can't use it in the abusive fashion that I use nearly everything.

Maybe I didn't do a good job of expressing it as such? I'm not always the most clearly spoken, as I prefer being direct but sometimes lose distinctions in meaning by trying to be 'to the point'. I think Cecil B will verify that one - we started out with quite a difference over our interpretations of an abusive cop story. But, at this point I'd venture to say we're friendly enough that either of us could arrange a lunch or beers or something with the other if we were traveling that direction.

And, just to make you laugh, after all my 'snob' comments, I drink Scotch almost exclusively among alcoholic drinks, and prefer Single Malts, preferably with a little 'smoke' and a small splash. I'm drinking one now. How's that for an 'elitist' habit?

Posted by: david b | March 1, 2012 6:08 PM    Report this comment

Yeah, david b, I saw a bit of that "elite snobbery" in the critique of my choice of cars. So, maybe it isn't "elite snobbery", but it sure comes on as "know it all preaching". Dobervol is a name I haven't seen in this forum, and I've been posting here for several years. Usually newcomers don't come charging in that way, but there are always some folks who've got to come on as alpha personalities. Anyway, my selection of cars is based on two things: 1) My daughter-in-law is the new car sales manager of our local Jeep-Chrysler dealership, and 2) The owner of said dealership is quite well disposed to me since I played an instrumental part in his daughter's scholastic success several years ago. Based on the foregoing 1) and 2), I likely paid only slightly more for my loaded Chrysler 300C than dobervol paid for his Nissan.....plus I got a Jeep Patriot in the deal.

Posted by: canovack | March 1, 2012 5:56 PM    Report this comment

Alright; peace, canovack & david. Guys, of course it's all about choices; I don't disagree w/that. And thank the Lord, quite literally, that we still (at least for now) live in a country where we can still "pay yer money and take yer choice". I have not a thing in the world bad to say about a Mossberg pump or semi-auto; just ask Patrick Flanagan (although they pay him to say good stuff, lol). Really reliable guns. I've heard some criticize the action as not "slick," but Mossberg's point was to build in enough looseness that dirt, grit and grime wouldn't shut it down, much like you'd want a 1911 that was actually gonna see battle in Iraq or Afghan. And even for clays use, if you mainly hunt and practice clays to help sharpen your skills for hunting, you should have no problem for years with the semi-auto Mossy. As for the cost of the shells? If you're retired, reload! Drives down the cost dramatically. Even working 50-60 hours per week, I'm thinking about starting doing it. I love American guns in most all other types, but the Italians just have the Over/Under thing right, IMO, thus my recommendation to Tommy of Franchi. And well-heeled? Depends on your definition, but I've worked hard for every penny of it over a long period of time, and as my wife reminds me on a daily basis, if want anything nice, I'd better buy it now, b/c we won't be living that high on the hog after we retire.

Posted by: dobervol | March 1, 2012 5:33 PM    Report this comment

OK, dobervol - perhaps I did misjudge you. It was your tone of response to canovack. As I said to him, it may have been unintentional, but read to me as if it was intended. Also, I didn't say most of those things about you in particular, only the 'elitist snobbery' part. The other comments were about snobby people in general. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

And really, I never said you insulted my choices - only that I would choose those over a 3k shotgun that I myself would want to be wiping fingerprints from all the time. So I think we're 'even' on that one. Also, I know you'd go through a lot of rounds shooting clays, but again, spending 3k for a gun so that I can shoot up boxes of clays that I pay for is too rich a sport for my pocket - like a big boat I never use would be. To me they aren't much different. As much as I enjoy shooting pigeons, I can't afford it often enough to wear out my Mossberg. You are apparently more 'well heeled' than some of us. Congratulations.

And by the way, your style is still a bit elitist in tone as I read it, so maybe that's where some of the accusations I made came from. I didn't call you a bad guy, just a snob. How did you get the 'bad person' thing, "do tell"?

Posted by: david b | March 1, 2012 5:01 PM    Report this comment

david b, you guess wrong about me on so many levels. First, I said I drive a Nissan. How many martini-swilling snobs do you know whose daily driver is a Nissan? I grew up on a farm, quite literally dirt poor, but I do enjoy the game of sporting clays, even though there I'm the "poor boy" who "only" shoots a CG, not a Perazzi or Blaser. One of my CGs, which is more expensive than the one reviewed, has been made fun of as "Plain Jane," but it works well. For sporting clays, these guns have to hold up to at least a couple hundred thousand rounds. However, some folks can sometimes be guilty of what I call "reverse snobbery," too. My dad used to be one. You know, the elites who're better than everyone else who THEY define as a snobbish elite. C'mon, dude, in all fairness, we don't even know each other. As for a Saiga and black guns, I don't believe I insulted them, did I? I love black guns and own four at present. But I don't own a boat. The only close friends I have who are kinda snobby are my Dobermans. And I greatly prefer bourbon, straight up, to martinis. Which of those makes me a bad person, do tell?

Tommy Jeckle, have you checked out the new Franchis? They're getting great reviews in the magazines, and they're Italian made, I think newly bought out by Benelli (which is of course owned by Beretta). They're supposed to be very lightweight and great handling guns. One of them has a receiver made of aluminum, with a steel insert on the front of the firing pin block.

Posted by: dobervol | March 1, 2012 4:38 PM    Report this comment

Is there a good field grade over/under in the $1500-2000 range? Thanks!

Posted by: Tommy Jeckle | March 1, 2012 3:57 PM    Report this comment

Colonel - you do recognize elitist snobbery when you see it, don't you? It may not have been intended that way, but that response certainly did read as such. So well in fact that I thought it was intended.

But you have to understand, some folks buy big boats just to have a place by the water to serve their friend free martinis. That's their idea of a good and purposeful life. Some guys want a classy gun to fondle - I suppose because the gun can't divorce them and take the boat. That's their choice too. I'd be guessing dobervol hob-nobs with with the marina-martini bunch.

I wish I had that kind of income, but I still wouldn't likely spend 3k on a shotgun. A good black rifle, sure, but not a shotgun. I don't want something I have to clean every time my friends simply shoulder it.

Posted by: david b | March 1, 2012 2:59 PM    Report this comment

Well, now that my ass is bloody from the critique of my analogy, courtesy of dobervol,.....the whole point of it, no matter what car you may be driving, is that most of us.....especially us old retired farts.....are likely to be satisfied with something considerably less costly. BTW, my 2009 300C continues to purr along quite nicely with no problems.....

Posted by: canovack | March 1, 2012 2:27 PM    Report this comment

Well, the most expensive shotgun I own is a Saiga 12. Not to say this gun isn't worth the money to someone who has it to spend, and doesn't intend to get it wet or dirty. But THAT ISN'T me. I doubt I'll ever spend over a grand on a shotgun, and seriously doubt I'll ever make enough money to even think I want one that costs like this. My blood just isn't that blue. For this kind of cash I want a full auto 12 with 30-rd banana mags. Cheers!

Posted by: david b | March 1, 2012 1:33 PM    Report this comment

canovack, I fail to see what the car analogy has to do with these shotguns. Jaguars aren't known for their reliabilty or value; CGs are. And it's all relative. There are plenty of folks driving Aston Martins and Bentleys who look down on Jag. drivers (I happen to drive a Nissan with which I'm very happy). Second, my family owned a couple Chrysler products when I was growing up, and neither kept us "well transported" for very long, despite being loaded w/all the bells and whistles. Those tend not to matter much when it starts stranding you after about 30k miles. I bought a Chrysler product over 20 yrs later; same results (should have known better, and I'm still beating myself up about it). More recently, Chrysler has the most black dots for unreliability in Consumer Reports, and got the worst results in the new JD Power dependability survey. The 300 is an aesthetically beautiful car; I sincerely hope yours serves you well for many miles, but the odds aren't on your side.

Posted by: dobervol | March 1, 2012 1:20 PM    Report this comment

Yeah, and I want to own a top-of-the-line Jaguar in the next few years. However, my Chrysler 300C, loaded with all the bells and whistles, is keeping me pretty well transported.

Posted by: canovack | March 1, 2012 12:58 PM    Report this comment

olaf, assuming you intended to be facetious, CGs aren't good; they're great. This is one of CG's most inexpensive guns, and yet their usual marketing strategy is not to convince folks like you to pony up more money versus the much cheaper Browning or Winchester, but rather to provide a more INEXPENSIVE alternative to Kreighoff, Blaser and Perazzi in the ultra-premium over-under shotgun segment, yet with superior customer service. I own two CG's, and I know without a doubt that if I needed to talk with him, Wes Lang, the President of CG, would actually return my call personally. Try that kind of service with any other shotgun company. Lots of cheaper guns out there that are also plenty "good," but there's no comparison when it comes to market segments.

Posted by: dobervol | March 1, 2012 12:47 PM    Report this comment

Imagine that! A good gun for only a little over three grand. Only needed one trip to the factory.

Posted by: olafhardtB | March 1, 2012 10:19 AM    Report this comment

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