November 2015

Handgun Bullets: How Do They Penetrate in Home Materials?

If you’re concerned about how your pistol or revolver cartridge may perform in the close confines of home, then choose a round that’s less likely to travel through a bunch of walls and doors.

[Updated November 13, 2018]

how do handgun bullets penetrate walls

All 45 ACP loads made a small hole that became progressively larger with penetration. What we were looking for was limited penetration in.

An important consideration in home defense is the prospect of the penetration of a wall by an errant projectile. The primary objective in a defensive situation is to destroy tissue that is vital to the adversary’s mobility. Only when an object or projectile strikes vital neural pathways (brain, spine, some nerve groups) or major blood pipelines (heart, lungs, some arteries and veins) that cause rapid blood loss will the pressurized system of the human body shut down. The primary responsibility of the home defender is to strike the target. Letting go with a round when you do not have a reasonable expectation of hitting the target isn’t a responsible action. Still, being human, we may miss the target, so it’s wise to know what a projectile (bullet, slug, or shot) may do when it connects with common building materials. Also, besides being responsible for every round we shoot, one of the raters in this test pointed out that the defensive shooter may also like to know what he can expect of materials that might hide or protect him if he or a loved on is under fire from an intruder.

how do handgun bullets penetrate walls

The 38 Glaser Safety Slug lived up to its name. Compared to the full penetration of other rounds, the Glaser penetrated a modest length and produced damage to the wallboard as it gave up its energy. We pried apart the wallboard and found exactly where the Safety Slug stopped, but found no trace of the bullet pieces.

To find out how handgun projectiles reacted to impacts on various materials, we first fabricated wall segments with commonly found wallboard and pine boards, then fired a few hundred rounds of ammunition to destroy the structures. At the end, we came up with common-sense recommendations that can solve the problem of overpenetrating handgun bullets that might be used in home defense. Remember, these tests cannot be compared to the FBI test program. The FBI was looking for penetration. That agency needed loads that would reasonably be expected to penetrate light cover and still strike a heavy blow. We were looking for handgun loads that don’t meet the well-known FBI penetration criteria.

how do handgun bullets penetrate walls

The 9mm DRT is a credible choice, but it penetrated more in wallboard and pine boards than we would have thought, considering it only penetrated 6 inches in water.

The Home Materials Tested


It should be no surprise that bullets, slugs, and buckshot go through wallboard — it’s just paper and clay. Other generic names are plasterboard and gypsum board. Common product names are Sheetrock and Gyproc. As one of the raters noted, there is no magic bullet that will not penetrate this material in the home and relieve you of the responsibility of aiming straight. We used half-inch-thick wallboard arranged in sections five sheets deep. There was a 1-inch gap between each set of wallboard stacks. Total penetration depth was measured for each round of loads.

drywall bullet penetration

When deployed correctly, pistols can be effective inside of a home. Several 45 ACP loads were tested extensively on wallboard and pine boards.

Pine Boards

These were once a universal testing medium, and they only measured penetration. One rater noted that the studs in a wall will be facing rather than length wise. The 4-by-4 posts were spaced 1 inch apart to allow dust and shavings to fall away from the projectile. One of the raters noted that all boards are not the same and that a quarter-sawed board would be denser and tougher. Besides gauging their effectiveness as a barrier in walls, our pine-board penetration results can also stand in for how bullets would do on solid-wood doors, but not lightweight interior hollow-core doors.

cinderblock bullet penetration

This block took a pounding from the 45 ACP and finally gave up after several hits. Unless you are using a Thompson 45 SMG, don’t count on the 45 being a great penetrator on stone.


The problem of overpenetration of bullets in the home or apartment has been discussed many times. The fear of a bullet carrying far past the area of a gun battle is real. Wounds received by innocent persons who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time are not uncommon. However, most of these occur in the open or on the street and are a result of missed shots, rather than overpenetration. Also, the great majority of gunshots are the result of criminals shooting victims and other criminals, rather than honest citizens protecting themselves. So, incidents involving homeowners firing through walls and a bullet exiting the home and causing damage, injury, or death are rare. The same is true for injuries caused inside the home. We believe this is because the vast majority of armed citizens are mature, conscientious individuals. Just the same, tragedies do occur, and we decided more than three years ago that the subject was a fertile field for examination.

We looked at the whole picture and tested ammunition from several angles. We tested common personal defense ammunition that we had given good ratings to in the past and learned how they might fare in penetration testing against home materials. We went far past the usual water testing, since ballistic water testing wasn’t applicable to most of what we were doing. We constructed targets using typical home materials and commonly used homebuilding parameters. At this point, allow us to re-emphasize that carefully placing a bullet in an assailant allows the projectile to expand properly — and there will be no overpenetration problem. Working on marksmanship skills is the soundest advice we can give.

cinderblock bullet penetration

This is a hit on a cinderblock with the Speer heavy 357 Magnum. It would usually make a large cavity in the block on the first shot, the break through to the open cavity with the second shot. A third hit would often crumble the stone.

Beyond Marksmanship

Next, knowing the distance between one occupied structure and the next nearest one is helpful, because distance robs errant shots of power and trajectory, because we usually fire at an angled attitude, slightly up or slightly down and seldom perpendicular to the target. Thus, chances are the bullet will come to rest in something before it reaches an occupied home. The bullet may strike the roof, or it may dig into the floor. Or you may have a long hallway with a brick wall at the end to stop or slow a bullet. A studio apartment with thin walls is another matter.

Also, it’s important to realize how ridiculous cinema depictions of gun-battle participants using a chair or mattress for cover really are. Bullets zip right through these constructs. Some furniture may be heavy enough to turn a bullet, and the pine-board results are a good way to estimate those effects without having to shoot up the walnut dining-room table.

As for the difficulty of creating realistic test media, we noted that every test program we read in the popular press was inconsistent, with every author having a different idea of how to gauge the risks of overpenetration. As an example, one of the considerations never mentioned in the popular press is the existence of firewalls between walls in apartment complexes. Building and structural firewalls in North America are usually made of concrete, concrete blocks, or reinforced concrete. These structures are very good at stopping or slowing down bullets.

Pistol-Cartridge Penetration Results

22 LR CCI Stinger 32 gr. HP 1150 fps 8 in. 2 in. A
22 LR Winchester 37 gr. HP 988 fps 10 in. 2 in. B
22 LR Winchester 40 gr. M-22 LRN 939 fps 9 in. 2 in. B
22 LR Wolf 22 LR 40 gr. LRN 905 fps 8 in. 2 in. A
22 Magnum CCI 40-gr. FMJ 1079 fps 12 in. 6 in. C
22 Magnum Hornady 45 gr. FTX 1090 fps 12 in. 5 in. C
32 ACP Fiocchi 60 gr. JHP 1101 fps 11 in. 5 in. C
32 ACP Fiocchi 71 FMJ 1078 fps10 10 in. 6 in. C
380 ACP Hornady 90 gr. FTX 890 fps 6 in. 6 in. A
380 ACP Fiocchi 95 gr. FMJ 909 fps 8 in. 7 in. A
38 Special Glaser Safety Slug Blue 80 gr. 1110 fps 5 in. 4 in. A
38 Special Glaser Safety Slug Blue 80 gr.* 1190 fps 6 in. 4 in. A
38 Special Remington 110 gr. JHP 882 fps 7 in. 8 in. B
38 Special Winchester 158 gr. RNL 707 fps 6 in. 6 in. A
38 Special Winchester 158 gr. LSWCHP +P 830 fps 10 in. 9 in. B
9mm Luger Dynamic Research Tech. 85 gr. JHP 1145 fps 10 in. 8 in. A
9mm Luger Fiocchi 115 gr. FMJ 1121 fps 12 in. 9 in. C
9mm Luger Buffalo Bore 115 gr. JHP +P 1300 fps 10 in. 8 in. A
9mm Luger Buffalo Bore 115 gr. JHP +P+ 1383 fps 12 in. 12 in. C
9mm Luger Fiocchi 124 gr. Extrema JHP 1107 fps 10 in. 9 in. A
9mm Luger Federal 147 gr. Hydra Shock 1010 fps 12 in. 9 in. B
357 Magnum Cor-Bon 100 gr. Pow’RBall 1462 fps 6 in. 6 in. A
357 Magnum Winchester 110 gr. JHP 1262 fps 11 in. 7 in. B
357 Magnum Remington 125 gr. Golden Saber 1220 fps 12 in. 9 in. C
357 Magnum Speer 158 gr. Gold Dot JHP 1130 fps 12 in. 12 in. C
45 ACP Glaser Safety Slug Blue 145 gr. +P 1311 fps 6 in. 4 in. A
45 ACP Glaser Safety Slug Silver 145 gr. +P 1350 fps 7 in. 4 in. A
45 ACP Buffalo Bore 160 gr. TAC Low Recoil 967 fps 10 in. 7 in. B
45 ACP Winchester 230 gr. FMJ 790 fps 12 in. 7 in. B
45 ACP Hornady 230 gr. XTP +P 909 fps 12 in. 12 in. C
Notes: The half-inch-thick wallboard sheets were arranged in blocks of five sheets, separated by a 1-inch gap. The penetration measurement indicates the total depth the bullet reached in wallboard. The pine boards were 4-by-4 posts separated by an inch gap. The 38 Special results were from a revolver with a 2-inch barrel. *The 38 Special results for the second Glaser Safety Slug were fired from a 4-inch barrel. Among the 45 ACP loads, it’s worth noting the Glaser Silver penetrated 10 inches into water. The Glaser Blue 45 ACP +P penetrated 6 inches into water. Abbreviations: HP = hollow point. LRN = lead round nose. FMJ = full metal jacket. JHP = jacketed hollow point. LSWCHP = lead semi-wadcutter hollow point gas check. Ratings in this table are as follows: A = Ideal for the task, with perhaps less penetration than we like but a good compromise. B = A good defense load with more penetration, but still a reasonable choice. C = Too much penetration.

Pistol Cartridge Notes

Based on our results in this test, we would advise against using round-nose lead or full-metal-jacketed bullets for home defense, if overpenetration is a worry. RNLs and FMJs are effective in the big bores, but the JHPs are is more effective and ricochet is less of a concern. We noticed that RNL bullets sometimes bounced when fired into hard wood. Avoid these bullet designs except for cheap practice.

One point we want to advise you to consider is the choice of bonded bullets. As an example, a wide-mouth hollow point such as the 115-grain JHP used in Buffalo Bore’s +P 9mm load breaks up rather quickly when fired against cinder block and doesn’t penetrate as much in wood as the slightly different Buffalo Bore +P+ load. The +P+ load uses a bonded bullet design, which stays together, as is the intent. Regarding bonded-core bullets then, we need to carefully appraise our choices. For home defense, do we really need a bullet with high penetration against intruders behind wallboard? Generally speaking, what we found was that bullets on the short end in water testing are the least offensive in home penetration. It is clear than the bonded bullets are designed for penetration of sheet metal and window glass and perform as designed. Whether this is desirable is up to the homeowner.

cinderblock bullet penetration

Despite the reputation of the 357 Magnum attaining great penetration, when properly loaded the cartridge also offers suitable low-penetration characteristics. Here the Cor-Bon Power-RBall load only pock-marked the cylinder blocks, unlike the heavy-bullet loads, which would crumble the blocks.

We were also curious about how tougher materials, such as cinder blocks, would defeat bullet passage.These are most often found in a single layer attached to the outside wall of a frame building. Then wall studs, plywood, and insulation form the interior walls. We shot the blocks stacked in groups of four or more. Another consideration is that when the bricks are in sections, mortar holds them together, and the support of the structure keeps them resilient. We also shot some exterior facing bricks, but didn’t record penetration data for either of these because it wasn’t measurable like the wallboard and pine boards were. However, we did collect our visual impressions of what various projectiles did to bricks.

The calibers below 38 Special only made small pock marks in the bricks. Beginning with the 38s, we saw damage. The 9mm and 45 ACP damaged bricks, but hardly enough to go through. After two to four shots, the bricks cracked. A single 357 Magnum took a large chunk out of a brick and often broke it. We found that one to two rounds in the same spot often broke the brick up and crumbled it.

Cor-Bon JHP

This is a Cor-Bon JHP. Across the boards, the Cor-Bon line gave good results, showing plenty of energy along with the ability to fragment and not overpenetrate.

In the case of cinder blocks, the 45 ACP JHPs just made a pock mark and only part of the bullet penetrated on the first shot. The fast-stepping 9mms were much the same. The 357 Magnum 110-grain loads did no more. The Remington 125-grain Golden Saber 357 Magnum struck the block three or four times without great effect, but it did well in previous water testing. The 158-grain Speer JHP 357 Magnum load made a large cavity in the block with the first shot and an opening into the hollow between the two sides of the block with the second shot, and sometimes with the first shot. The third shot with the Speer busted the block. This Magnum is just too much with heavyweight loads. The Winchester 230-grain FMJ 45 ACP also broke the blocks up with very few shots.

223 loads fragment quickly

Many 223 loads fragment quickly and are well suited to interior defense. This 55-grain Black Hills round fragmented after 6 inches in wallboard.

Rifle & Shotgun Side Testing

While we had the building materials out, we also fired a few shotgun and rifle loads to see how they compared to the handgun loads most folks would likely choose for home defense. Also, as we noted in the article about lightweight AR-15s for home defense elsewhere in this issue, it is possible to choose 223 Remington loads that pose less danger of overpenetration than some pistol rounds. If you have the carbine, a light load, and your Wolf Ears ready at home, you are way ahead of the game for self-defense.

DRYWALL SHOTgun penetration

The shotgun gave impressive results if you desire penetration. If you do not, then load selection is critical.

For instance, we fired a Fiocchi 40-grain V-Max round (3600 fps muzzle velocity) and saw it began to fragment in the first section of the wallboard testing. Some pieces made the second section, but none fully penetrated, for a wallboard measurement of 3 inches, or less than any of the handgun rounds. This is a good, safe bullet for interior use. Likewise, a Black Hills 55-grain jacketed soft point 223 round (2840 fps muzzle velocity) only penetrated 6 inches in wallboard, which would put it among the lowest handgun rounds in penetration statistics.

Also, if anyone doubts how awesome the shotgun really is for home defense, some of our results will be eye openers. Wallboard was blasted to pieces by most of the loads tested, with Wolf buckshot and a Wolf slug going too deep, 12 inches. Slugs demolished cinder blocks with a single shot. Winchester Reduced Recoil buckshot was a little more under control, penetrating 10 inches in wallboard.

DRYWALL SHOTgun penetration

We stood well back to avoid getting hit with bounceback.

The buckshot loads bounced like crazy in some cases. We stood back at least a 50 feet when testing. Some of the buckshot flattened on cinder blocks and bounced back 10 to 12 feet. This would not be the load of choice in a crowded environment around buildings with cinder-block walls.

We have never tested birdshot for personal defense, so we had to do a few runs with 12-gauge Winchester 7½ shot on the water jugs first. This load has widely been recommended for home defense, but in water testing, we saw only 4 to 6 inches of penetration with only one or two pellets exiting the first water jug. Perhaps the common wisdom foresaw how 7½ shot performed in wallboard — it only penetrated 2 inches.

Our Team Said

Smith & Wesson 22 LR revolver

Here is a Smith & Wesson 22 LR revolver with a 4-inch barrel.This round made only tiny pock marks in the cinder blocks.

Most of the handgun loads proved capable of penetrating several house walls, as noted in the chart above. Since we’ve all been conditioned to think of penetration as the do-all and be-all of bullet performance, it’s hard to think backwards when penetration must be limited.

Among the 22 LR rounds, we don’t recommend any for home self defense. But if your pistol of choice happens to be a 22 and you want to reduce your risk of overpenetration, we’d pick the CCI Stinger 32-grain hollow point.

A better choice for a home-defense cartridge might be either of the 380 ACPs, the Hornady 90-gr. FTX and Fiocchi 95-gr. FMJ.

There are good selections from the 38 Specials. The Glaser Safety Slug in 80-grain weight offered plenty of velocity but not as much penetration. The Winchester 158-grain lead roundnose is a similar performer in a more traditional form.

The DRT 85-grain would likely be our first pick from the 9mm Lugers, but the Buffalo Bore 115-grain JHP and Fiocchi 124-grain Extrema JHP would be good choices as well.

If you shoot the big 357 Magnum wheelgun, your lowest-penetration choice would be the Cor-Bon 100-grain Pow’RBall.

Among the 45 ACPs, the Glaser Safety Slugs stand out.

Written and photographed by R.K. Campbell, using evaluations from Gun Tests team testers.

Comments (16)

As previously requested, test frangible and specifically ARX polymer bullets since these are designed to NOT penetrate hard (building) material while still penetrating soft (human) tissue.

Also, can it be assumed (risk noted) that a 40 grain VMax from a 5.7x28mm would perform similarly as it did with the .223/5.556x45?

To all the detractors, no list, and therefore no test, is correct since it is not yours. Thank you Gun Tests for doing YOUR test and sharing it with us.

Posted by: FortyFive Snob | January 27, 2019 10:13 AM    Report this comment

Good information and I thank you for doing the research. My home protection .45 is loaded with Sinterfire rounds. Good test results from "The Box of Truth" website, which I think is now defunct.

Posted by: LouG | January 25, 2019 12:46 PM    Report this comment

The numbers of snipers in print and on keyboards way outnumber the folk who went through the training.
No study is perfect.
Unless there is a small town with a lot of different structures to test on not all conditions will be tested. Oh and we forgot to do seasonal testing for clothing, blankets and, whatever.
This is a useful guideline to give folk a place to start thinking and to start arguing with each other.
If we stay up late debating the bad guys will see that folk are at home and alert. Which will most likely cause them to after parties less inclined to passionately argue over small differences.
May the coffee flow freely.

Posted by: ArmyE7Ret | January 25, 2019 12:10 PM    Report this comment

Good article.
Good info.
Good job.
Thank you.

Posted by: Glenn S. | January 25, 2019 11:42 AM    Report this comment

I don't know where they got the idea that there is a firewall between apartments. Must have never lived in one. Maybe townhouses.

Posted by: DogDad | October 31, 2018 6:33 AM    Report this comment

Interesting how you rated DRT ammo as top-o-the-heap, but it is unavailable to us mere mortals. Around here, that stuff was discounted, cleared from the shelves, and discontinued at all the local stores more than a year ago. Is it available ANYWHERE anymore?

Posted by: Dave L | October 20, 2018 10:58 PM    Report this comment

Great old article. My nightstand gun is a 1911 loaded with Glasers.

Posted by: jwash111 | October 20, 2018 7:33 AM    Report this comment

How about a Glasser Safety Slug test and maybe frangible bullets?
These are designed to be devastating in the body but are notorious for minimal penetration.

Posted by: GrandpaHalfdime | October 19, 2018 1:20 PM    Report this comment

What about ratshot for home defense ie 357 mag?

Posted by: iggieman | October 19, 2018 12:51 PM    Report this comment

I appreciate all the work that went into this test! In my opinion the testing materials represent what you would encounter in a tactical situation.

Posted by: rcwest1971 | October 19, 2018 10:03 AM    Report this comment

Please explain the results for the following:
22 Magnum CCI WBP: 12" PBP: 6" Rating: C
22 Magnum Hornady WBP: 12" PBP: 5" Rating: C
45ACP Win WBP: 12" PBP: 7" Rating: B
9mm Federal (147gr) WBP: 12" PBP: 9" Rating: B
357 Mag Win WBP: 11" PBP: 7" Rating: B
9mm Fiocchi (124gr) WBP: 10" PBP: 9" Rating: A
9mm Buffalo (115 gr +p) WBP: 10" PBP: 8" Rating: A
9mm Dynamic Research WBP: 10" PBP: 8" Rating: A
38 Spl Win +P WBP: 10" PBP: 9" Rating: B

The basis for distinguishing these ratings is not explained, in my opinion. Is there a bias in favor of larger bore cartridges that really don't perform all that much better than small bore?

Posted by: Mr_Ree | November 21, 2015 7:03 PM    Report this comment

Great article Guntest! There are a lot of us out there that appreciate your time and dedication to the CCW world and home defense. There is a ever growing population of folks that are purchasing and owning guns and these test you perform are essential in understanding all the parameters that need to be taken. I do hate to see all the political nonsense by some posters. Extremely narrow minded.
Also, in the future, I would like to see your take/test on the new Poly ARX self defense ammo.

Posted by: davevabch | November 21, 2015 4:26 AM    Report this comment

Just how big is this house you're defending? Nothing you are shooting at should be over ten feet from the shooter. If worried about bouncing buckshot, use a barrier to protect the shooter.

A firewall is mentioned in the article. What is described is a fire barrier, NOT the same thing.
A fire barrier is usually enough sheetrock based on the sheetrock's fire rating. Typically much fewer sheets of sheetrock than you are currently shooting. Plus a fire barrier is usually only between different apartments.

Offices will not even have fire barriers as their walls are often constructed of metal struts with cloth walls.

Unless someone is defending a big box hardware store, they're rarely going to see that much sheet rock.
And no, stacked sheet rock is not the same as 2", 4", 6" spaces with sheet rock on both sides and lots of odd obstructions inside, e.g. wire, nails, electric boxes and outlets, plumbing, etc.

Bullets usually have their direction of travel changed after even small impacts. Any hunter that shot a stalk of grass and missed a deer fully understands that.

There is no equivalence between shooting six inches of wall board and shooting through three walls ten feet apart.

Many residential houses lack substantiality. Even many of their exterior walls lack plywood. I grew up in a Levittown house where the exterior walls were sheetrock covered fiber insulation with a hard asbestos shingles for the outside. Criminals knew they could just cut out the wall after ripping off a few shingles if the door was a problem. Bullets fired in Levittown can pass through the entire house if they miss hard obstacles.

FMJ and RNB are just as capable of ricochet or bouncing as any buckshot.

I do not know why people suggest birdshot for defense. They might as well use rock salt which was still used when I was young. I knew a kid at school that had a bunch of red marks on his butt and the backs of his legs. We got to watch them slowly disappear every gym period.

Shot size 6 is the first to pack some penetration, but not very deep, think deep under the skin level. Blinding someone could have legal repercussions.
Shot size 5 gets to start penetrating better with 4 and 2 both upping the ante. Shot size 5 will not pass through the body of birds like pheasants and ducks yet within ten feet shot size 5 will grind a patch of flesh thoroughly

Keep testing!

Posted by: ATheoK | October 30, 2015 9:38 PM    Report this comment

Shooting at the range is NOTHING like a potential home shooting. You are not shooting paper, and your target may know the house is occupied, and come armed. The house will probably be darker than a range, and the adrenaline run will cause you to lose some of your fine motor control: you may very well miss.

Posted by: Marty g | October 29, 2015 1:22 PM    Report this comment

Any word on (old) plaster over steel lath (or wood lath)? Older home (1920) with most of the original plaster.

20 gauge 2 3/4" Dove & Quail was always said to be the best home defense load that wouldn't over penetrate from one space through to an adjacent room.

Posted by: AR | October 16, 2015 10:49 PM    Report this comment

These tests assume that the home defender does not practice at all with their firearm - A dangerous situation at best, liable to kill the family and save the intruder. I would have been much more impressed with this "study" __IF__ these testers would have shot the .357Mag, .45ACP, etc. rounds through a side of pork covered with several layers of denim before shooting the house materials - The damage to structure building materials would be substantially less than the OMG! results published in "Handgun Bullets: How Do They Penetrate in Home Materials?".

Most "sane" people DO NOT want an unskilled backhoe operator or carpenter working around their home - That doesn't preclude John Q. Public from hiring the same. Why such gross naivety when it comes to responsible firearm ownership on the "possibility" of one missed round?

Remember that the defenders of the home __are always__ the VICTIMS, and their only concern is to PROTECT their loved ones and ELIMINATE THE THREAT - Concern over what happens if one round misses will get a family killed. No home defender, except maybe Joe Biden and his ilk, would let rounds fly haphazardly across and around their home and off their back porches.

This Gun Test article has all the hallmarks of progressive/socialist activists: That is 1) create a crisis (where none exists), 2) offer a "compromise" (which was not needed), thereby 3) creating a foothold within, which modifies peoples' behavior more to their liking. An example of this behavior in action is the anti-gun establishment's "common sense gun laws". The behavior is pure Saul Alinsky activism for creating footholds that erode common sense morality and liberty as taught by our country's founders. Unfortunately, too many citizens today are just along for the ride and easily swayed, as long as their comfort level isn't upset.

In re-reading this article, it appears it's a plant by a left activist employee embedded within the Gun Test family. After all, Saul Alinsky tactics have blossomed like Europe's 14th century black death - Beginning in the 60s (with Marxists teaching core courses within our universities), nearly consuming a free America within five-plus decades.

The results are spectacular: Nearly our entire public school system has no moral compass (teaching kindergartners how to put a condom on a banana, banning prayer and Christmas, etc); entire churches (e.g. Sojourners), and portions of large church congregations either promote or have fallen victim to socialist teachings (e.g. The USCCB past support of ACORN and Saul Alinsky tactics, ND conferring a PHd on president Barrack Hussein Obama, etc). Why not use the same tactics on Gun Test readers?

Posted by: Mick R | October 16, 2015 3:31 PM    Report this comment

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